How is Double or Nothing different from your previous videos?

The main difference is that it shines a light on some riders that might be a little less know outside of the SLC scene but also has some familiar faces as well. I think it gives Double or Nothing a unique vibe compared to the other videos.

How long did it take to produce from start to finish?

It’s hard to pinpoint exactly when I stared to officially film for this video. I have always filmed without a set goal, but it would be safe to say we started early 2019 and finished in the summer of 2024. I definitely filmed clips before 2019, but it was very random.

How many hours of footage was there? How did you organize it?

At the end of filming there were 63 tapes, each one being 60 min in length, so around 3780 hours of footage captured on tape. Most of the time there would only be two or three clips on a tape depending on how long it took to pull. I log and capture every tape into the computer and log and number it on a note pad. This has proven to be very helpful if I need to find a clip again. Koby and Ashton also gave me about 10 to 15 tapes of things they filmed when I was not around, so I’m sure that adds up to many more hours.

Did you get any tickets or were people arrested?

No one got a ticket or arrested throughout the entire filming which is actually pretty surprising considering the amount of trespassing were doing in random sketchy buildings. We definitely tried our luck and won more times than I can remember at the abandoned water park. Kurt and I started going there around covid to clean out the craziest pool we had ever seen or ridden. It felt like our own personal skate park, but way more fun. There were countless tweakers there to steal metal to recycle and kids would show up in ridiculous numbers just to break shit and spray paint. I decided to just document as much as possible. Security came through regularly and we would hide then come back out and get in a few more hours. Some random kids got held up at gunpoint and the place became way more of a bust for a while. I could write a short novel about all of the things we saw and rode at that place.

Any injuries filming for the video?

There were no serious injuries during the actual filming, but Kurt was in a really bad motorcycle accident and almost lost his foot. We decided to delay the video for one year to give him time to heal. He ended up needing multiple surgeries and was still in a lot of pain. He decided to call it for the filming of his part which was completely understandable. His part is so amazing and well rounded, so I can’t even imagine what he could have accomplished  if he had even more time to film. Kurt has had his ankle fused recently and is on the mend and riding again.

What were the hardest and easiest clips to film and why?

To answer both of these questions, no one person or clip for this video was easier or harder to film. Everyone seemed to have a pretty similar vibe and had a mellow way of going about the whole project. In general, my trip to Taipei Taiwan was difficult to film because my VX was not handling the humidity well. Thankfully Robin Sloot let me use his and saved the day.

What trick scared you to film?

It would definitely have to be Kurt’s waterslide drop in. No words can describe how wild it truly was. It was so high off the ground and so steep. He had talked about it prior but that day we were just there riding the pool, and he decided to go for it. It was just the two of us, so I was glad I had a second camera to capture another angle. I was very nervous for him but never let on. I knew had it. His first attempt/crash is in his part in the video and God damn, it's scary. He was at the top of the second hump when he caught a little air and fell off his bike and into the slide. The second attempt was the keeper. I was in shock when he rode away from the end of the slide as you can hear in my voice in the clip. Within minutes of pulling it a cop showed up and we smooth talked our way out of any trouble and got out of there.

How was the premiere night for Double or Nothing? How important do you feel it is to have a premier for your videos and why?

The premiere was a very special night. I had it at my long-time friend Thorpe’s business called Space and Faders. The space has a good-sized area outside that worked perfectly. Ryan Harrington, another good friend, owns and Harrington Art Studio and he helped me set up an exhibit show casing many artists and photographer’s work. This was probably the biggest undertaking of the whole event. It was a lot of work to get it set up, but definitely worth it. I can’t thank Thorpe, Ryan, and all the artists/photographers enough. Add in an open bar with cases of beer that Fat Tire hooked up and you have the beginning of an amazing night. It was so busy that when I finally took a second to look around, I could not believe the amount of people that had shown up. It was a full house and as soon as the sun went down, I played the video on a huge blow-up screen. As the video played, I could tell that everyone was excited to watch each section/rider. The night had such a positive vibe. I could not have asked for more. Thank you to everyone that helped and contributed to this amazing night. 

It’s very important to have a premiere. It brings the whole scene together for a night to remember. We watch so many videos at home on our TV or on our phones. Everyone is over saturated with quick social media. It’s so easy to forget what you have seen or for it to hold value. One big special night creates a memory that you will never forget.

You have been making videos based around the SLC scene for literally decades. What keeps you motivate to keep doing it?

I am constantly searching and thinking about finding spots to ride. As long as I’m healthy and into it, I see no reason to slow down. Finding balance with riding, my personal life, and my work life has made riding even that much more enjoyable. When I am with my closest friends, I am the most motivated to push myself to ride to my full potential. For me, that feeling is very addictive. I get so much satisfaction filming my friends when they are doing something they are stoked on. I still have a lot of fire left in me and I do not see myself slowing down any time soon.

How do you see the current 2025 scene?

It’s pretty amazing the number of influential riders that have come from here. I have always felt very lucky to have witnessed and documented so much “greatness’ over the years. I think the scene of the past has definitely cultivated a new breed of riders that are unique in their own ways, and I think they will also leave a lasting mark on riding.

Any plans for a sequel?

Right now, a lot of friends are working on their own projects, so it feels good to be a part of that. I am not committing to a sequel at this point, but I am not ruling it out either. If something happens organically then I will run with it. Regardless, it’s the end of the road for my VX. I have used the same camera for 20 years and it’s time to move on to something new, haha.