The world as a whole has been dealing with racism of all types for millennia. It’s largely perceived as non-existent in the BMX community, a bubble separate from the real world. What are your thoughts on that?
I remember with Gabe Brooks, he was blowing up and riding with a lot of new people, and it would bother me that some of them would act differently when he was around, almost treating him like he was a circus animal or novelty. I think Gabe realized it was marketable, and used it to his advantage like rappers do. I felt like they were almost exploiting LA Gang culture; I don’t know if they understood those are real things that ultimately ended up taking his life. After he had kind of gotten out of the BMX industry, I remember we had a long conversation about it, and he was like, “You know what, I realized a lot of these white people didn’t really care about me, and they couldn’t understand me. I miss the old days just riding with you and our real friends.” I'm sure most of them meant well and weren’t racists, but these are the types of issues and conversations black people have in BMX.
I remember being on a trip in San Francisco, and there were some gangster black kids down the street from the spot we were riding. I wasn’t worried; they were doing their thing. Everybody was tripping out, and I was feeling really uncomfortable about the situation, “Why are you so scared of these 18 year-old black kids?” One person said, “Hey Andrew, I’m going to stand next to you the whole time, if that’s cool.” I was like, “Really?” (Laughter) Things like that would happen; it would be a normal occurrence.
Me and my brother used to ride these dirt jumps in Simi Valley, which is is about an hour north of L.A. All the people who rider there were skinheads, had Nazi swastikas carved in the back of jumps. It was an openly racist thing, talking shit about black people, Mexicans, everything all the time. But they would always do the thing, “Oh, you guys are cool; you’re one of the good ones.” They would always be cool to us. I think I was too young to know how to handle that, or what to do. I remember feeling super uncomfortable, and almost scared, but those were the dirt jumps, and those were the locals there.